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Living Trusts Are Valuable Tools Alright, But Watch That Pitch

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Watch that pitch

MARCH 1, 1999 VOLUME 6, NUMBER 35

“Since the Revocable Living Trust avoids the expensive and lengthy legal process known as ‘probate'” proclaims a national insurance sales agency in its brochure, “it is fast replacing the Last Will and Testament as the preferred method for asset distribution.” Elsewhere, the same insurance agency promises that the “Living Trust avoids probate and is less expensive, quicker and private. The Living Trust completely eliminates the court process.”

In their zeal to sell living trusts, many non-lawyer document preparers and not a few lawyers resort to half-truths and the occasional outright misrepresentation. A review of the literature handed to seniors at a recent Tucson “estate planning” seminar (really a pitch for living trusts, annuities and insurance) reveals some of the misinformation:

The pitch– “Aren’t trusts only for the rich? No. Anyone with property or assets totalling more than $30,000 should consider a trust to avoid probate.”

The truth–in Arizona, estates of up to $50,000 in personal property plus $50,000 in real estate ed. note: these numbers were raised several years after this article was published — the current (2021) numbers are $75,000 in personal property plus $100,000 in real estate) can be transferred through a very simple affidavit process. But even more fundamentally, even larger estates seldom go through the probate process. Holding property in “joint tenancy with right of survivorship” is a popular way to avoid the probate process, particularly between spouses. Bank accounts, stock certificates, bonds, brokerage accounts, annuities, life insurance and many other assets can be titled as “POD–payable on death” (or “TOD–transfer on death”) to avoid the necessity of probate. The simple reality is that probate is initiated in a tiny minority of cases, and often only as to a fraction of the decedent’s assets.

The pitch– “At your death, the court must first validify [sic] your will. This process is called probate. During probate not only is your estate tied up, it is also publicly recorded making your private information available for anyone, family friend, or stranger.” And elsewhere: “A recent survey indicated that it takes sixteen months for the average estate in America to clear probate.”

The truth–the probate process is, indeed, the mechanism by which the court determines the validity of your will. In almost every case, that determination is simple and straightforward–will contests are extremely rare. More importantly, your estate will not be “tied up” during the probate process. Your personal representative will be authorized to liquidate assets as may be needed, pay your debts, distribute living expenses to your spouse and children, and even make distributions of some of your estate. Despite the common belief that estate information is publicly available, there is no requirement that an inventory or accounting be filed unless requested by one of the beneficiaries. And the typical probate process, at least in Arizona, takes about six months, with many probates being opened and closed virtually simultaneously.

The pitch– “This [probate] is also the process that can cost your heirs up to 8% of your estate.” Another pamphlet trumpets that “Probate expenses…can cost between 3% to 12% of an estate’s gross value.”

The truth–the cost of probate proceedings must (at least in Arizona) be based on the actual work required to administer the estate. If the personal representative chooses not to charge (which is usually the case, especially when the personal representative is also an heir), then the only costs will be legal fees. While those fees may be substantial, they are more likely to be 1% than 8% of the estate. Arizona law is more restrictive than some states, but even in those states which provide for a percentage fee for the attorney handling a probate, it is more likely to be 3% than 8%. Administering a living trust will also cost something, though likely not as much as a probate for a comparable estate.

Living trusts are an important estate planning tool–and option– for many people. They may be particularly valuable for those who have real estate in more than one state, or disabled (or spendthrift) children, or large estates requiring careful tax planning. But living trusts are seriously oversold, and consultation with a competent estate planning attorney is the best way to make the necessary cost-benefit analysis. Be wary about getting legal advice from an insurance agent.

Robert B. Fleming

Attorney

Robert Fleming is a Fellow of both the American College of Trust and Estate Counsel and the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys. He has been certified as a Specialist in Estate and Trust Law by the State Bar of Arizona‘s Board of Legal Specialization, and he is also a Certified Elder Law Attorney by the National Elder Law Foundation. Robert has a long history of involvement in local, state and national organizations. He is most proud of his instrumental involvement in the Special Needs Alliance, the premier national organization for lawyers dealing with special needs trusts and planning.

Robert has two adult children, two young grandchildren and a wife of over fifty years. He is devoted to all of them. He is also very fond of Rosalind Franklin (his office companion corgi), and his homebound cat Muninn. He just likes people, their pets and their stories.

Elizabeth N.R. Friman

Attorney

Elizabeth Noble Rollings Friman is a principal and licensed fiduciary at Fleming & Curti, PLC. Elizabeth enjoys estate planning and helping families navigate trust and probate administrations. She is passionate about the fiduciary work that she performs as a trustee, personal representative, guardian, and conservator. Elizabeth works with CPAs, financial professionals, case managers, and medical providers to tailor solutions to complex family challenges. Elizabeth is often called upon to serve as a neutral party so that families can avoid protracted legal conflict. Elizabeth relies on the expertise of her team at Fleming & Curti, and as the Firm approaches its third decade, she is proud of the culture of care and consideration that the Firm embodies. Finding workable solutions to sensitive and complex family challenges is something that Elizabeth and the Fleming & Curti team do well.

Amy F. Matheson

Attorney

Amy Farrell Matheson has worked as an attorney at Fleming & Curti since 2006. A member of the Southern Arizona Estate Planning Council, she is primarily responsible for estate planning and probate matters.

Amy graduated from Wellesley College with a double major in political science and English. She is an honors graduate of Suffolk University Law School and has been admitted to practice in Arizona, Massachusetts, New York, and the District of Columbia.

Prior to joining Fleming & Curti, Amy worked for American Public Television in Boston, and with the international trade group at White & Case, LLP, in Washington, D.C.

Amy’s husband, Tom, is an astronomer at NOIRLab and the Head of Time Domain Services, whose main project is ANTARES. Sadly, this does not involve actual time travel. Amy’s twin daughters are high school students; Finn, her Irish Red and White Setter, remains a puppy at heart.

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Matthew M. Mansour

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Matthew is a law clerk who recently earned his law degree from the University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law. His undergraduate degree is in psychology from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Matthew has had a passion for advocacy in the Tucson community since his time as a law student representative in the Workers’ Rights Clinic. He also has worked in both the Pima County Attorney’s Office and the Pima County Public Defender’s Office. He enjoys playing basketball, caring for his cat, and listening to audiobooks narrated by the authors.