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Getting Ready for Your Appointment With the Lawyer

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JULY 20, 2015 VOLUME 22 NUMBER 26

It was really hard to find the right estate planning attorney, but you’re confident you’ve made a good choice (and we’re glad it’s us). You’ve made the first appointment — it’s set for two weeks from today. You’ve gotten the questionnaire from the lawyer’s office, and it looks a little daunting, but you’re determined to get this project done. What can you do to make the appointment more productive (and possibly make the entire experience less expensive)?

The first step might seem obvious, but we’re surprised how often new clients don’t do this: fill out the questionnaire. There’s a reason we’ve sent it to you. Having at least basic information (your name and date of birth, your children’s names, the rough outlines of your assets) speeds up the process immeasurably, and makes us think you’re serious about getting your estate planning done.

But, you ask, why should you have to fill out all that information when you haven’t even decided if you like the lawyer or want to pursue the project at all? For the same reason you have to give your doctor medical information, your dentist information about your teeth, and your financial planner information about your finances. It’s what we’re going to work with, and we know from experience that if you just dictate information to us in the first appointment you’ll forget some of it, we’ll write some of it down wrong, and the whole project will take longer, cost you more and have a higher likelihood of needing changes along the way.

What else can you do in advance? How about if you give a little thought to who you want to put in charge of your affairs? We generally ask you for at least four names: who will handle your finances, and who will handle your health care decisions — and who will be backup for both of those people? You might know perfectly well who you want for those jobs, but we’re surprised how many new clients haven’t really given these critical questions much thought. You don’t have to have final answers for our first meeting, but at least have some first reactions that we can work with.

Can you bring us some paperwork? Lawyers just love paper. We like to see a recent bank statement, and one from your brokerage account, and one from your retirement plan. We don’t worry too much about the precise value of any of those assets (we know those values have changed since your statement was issued) — we just want to see the rough value, the kinds of holdings, the account number and the name and address of your broker/banker/financial planner. That way if we end up creating a living trust for you, or adjusting your beneficiary designations, we have a running start on getting the information we need.

Lawyers do love paper, but we don’t need copies of everything. Your income tax returns are surprisingly unhelpful (though the listing of income sources might help you remember that small brokerage account you hardly ever deal with but haven’t gotten around to folding into your main account). If you own real estate in Arizona (remember — we’re writing this for an Arizona audience), we probably can get all the information about the real estate directly from the county recorder — besides, you’d be surprised how often people don’t actually have the most recent deed to their property at hand (and don’t panic if that’s you, since you don’t actually need a copy of your deed in Arizona).

What else can you do to prepare? Sketch out an informal list of personal property you want to leave to particular people. No need for you to make it official, or complete — it will be a discussion point for us to talk about. If you don’t have any particular items that go to special people, or you don’t get around to this project, don’t worry — it’s probably just not important to you, and that’s fine.

Here’s another item you can think about in advance: we’ll be talking with you about powers of attorney, and whether your agent (particularly the one you name to handle finances) should be given authority to act right away or only if you become incapacitated later. If you’re like most people, you likely default to not giving them authority unless someone can prove you’ve become incapacitated. But think about it: the primary reason we’re creating a power of attorney is to avoid the necessity of a formal, official declaration that you are incapacitated, and if you make your agent go through that process you necessarily put yourself through it, too.

We’ve seen an awful lot of people who really ought to be getting help from their chosen family members, but who aren’t easily categorized as “incapacitated.” We’ve seen many others who are incapacitated, but whose physicians won’t sign any documents to that effect. We’ve seen a few powers of attorney made ineffective by the need to go through a court process to secure a declaration of incapacity. We’ll want to talk with you about that, and it would be great if you’ve thought about it a little bit in advance.

Please read the letter we sent you. Not only does it have the date and time of your appointment (did you think it was a different day or time? Let us know — we can work out the differences), but also some instructions and a heads-up about our office process. It explains that we’ll be taking your picture, copying your driver’s license or identification card, and asking your family members to wait in the front office while we talk first with you alone. We’d like you not to be surprised by any of that.

Finally, here’s what we’d love to have you do in advance of your first estate planning appointment: relax. The process isn’t actually scary or overpowering or threatening. In fact, we think many of our clients actually enjoy the process, and learn a few things about themselves while going through it. Our staff is friendly, helpful and happy to answer your questions. You’ll be fine, regardless of how much preparation you’ve managed to work in before getting to our office.

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Robert B. Fleming

Attorney

Robert Fleming is a Fellow of both the American College of Trust and Estate Counsel and the National Academy of Elder Law Attorneys. He has been certified as a Specialist in Estate and Trust Law by the State Bar of Arizona‘s Board of Legal Specialization, and he is also a Certified Elder Law Attorney by the National Elder Law Foundation. Robert has a long history of involvement in local, state and national organizations. He is most proud of his instrumental involvement in the Special Needs Alliance, the premier national organization for lawyers dealing with special needs trusts and planning.

Robert has two adult children, two young grandchildren and a wife of over fifty years. He is devoted to all of them. He is also very fond of Rosalind Franklin (his office companion corgi), and his homebound cat Muninn. He just likes people, their pets and their stories.

Elizabeth N.R. Friman

Attorney

Elizabeth Noble Rollings Friman is a principal and licensed fiduciary at Fleming & Curti, PLC. Elizabeth enjoys estate planning and helping families navigate trust and probate administrations. She is passionate about the fiduciary work that she performs as a trustee, personal representative, guardian, and conservator. Elizabeth works with CPAs, financial professionals, case managers, and medical providers to tailor solutions to complex family challenges. Elizabeth is often called upon to serve as a neutral party so that families can avoid protracted legal conflict. Elizabeth relies on the expertise of her team at Fleming & Curti, and as the Firm approaches its third decade, she is proud of the culture of care and consideration that the Firm embodies. Finding workable solutions to sensitive and complex family challenges is something that Elizabeth and the Fleming & Curti team do well.

Amy F. Matheson

Attorney

Amy Farrell Matheson has worked as an attorney at Fleming & Curti since 2006. A member of the Southern Arizona Estate Planning Council, she is primarily responsible for estate planning and probate matters.

Amy graduated from Wellesley College with a double major in political science and English. She is an honors graduate of Suffolk University Law School and has been admitted to practice in Arizona, Massachusetts, New York, and the District of Columbia.

Prior to joining Fleming & Curti, Amy worked for American Public Television in Boston, and with the international trade group at White & Case, LLP, in Washington, D.C.

Amy’s husband, Tom, is an astronomer at NOIRLab and the Head of Time Domain Services, whose main project is ANTARES. Sadly, this does not involve actual time travel. Amy’s twin daughters are high school students; Finn, her Irish Red and White Setter, remains a puppy at heart.

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Matthew M. Mansour

Attorney

Matthew is a law clerk who recently earned his law degree from the University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law. His undergraduate degree is in psychology from the University of California, Santa Barbara. Matthew has had a passion for advocacy in the Tucson community since his time as a law student representative in the Workers’ Rights Clinic. He also has worked in both the Pima County Attorney’s Office and the Pima County Public Defender’s Office. He enjoys playing basketball, caring for his cat, and listening to audiobooks narrated by the authors.